Question:
Why do Princess Caroline's three oldest children not have royal titles?
blair.
2011-02-21 18:39:14 UTC
Princess Caroline's three oldest children do not have royal titles, but her youngest daughter does. Why is this? Also, I thought Andrea, Charlotte, and Pierre were in line to the throne. How can this be if they do not have royal titles?
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♫John♫ ♫Lennon♫
2011-02-21 18:42:17 UTC
Because Princess Caroline has been married thrice (three times). Only her THIRD husband had a royal title. The line of succession normally goes (somewhat) like this: If a Queen marries, her husband is Prince. (King outranks Queen.) If a King marries, his wife is Queen...BUT...if the King dies, his wife does not become Queen. The eldest male child becomes King. If no male child, but a female child, then SHE becomes Queen. The former Queen becomes "Queen Mother". If the King and Queen (or Prince and Queen) had no issue (children)....then it gets REALLY complicated, too complicated to explain here. Consequently, in English succession, the Prince of Wales is "heir presumptive"...meaning should the King (or as it is currently, Queen) dies, he will become King. The Princess Of Wales is the Prince of Wales' wife. In the event that a royal couple has 3 children, female, male, female, the MALE becomes King upon the death of the Sovereign (King or Queen)...the two daughters hold the titles of "Princess"...should the son die before the Sovereign, the elder Princess generally becomes the "heiress presumptive". But should the son die before the Sovereign, and the royal couple have ANOTHER son, he is generally the "heir presumptive". milyfaz was essentially correct, except that he was not a race car driver. He was, however, killed in a speed-boating accident.
wildsmith
2016-10-05 08:54:07 UTC
Princess Caroline Children
2011-02-21 19:10:35 UTC
To put it simply: European titles generally descend through the male line only, unless the mother is a reigning monarch. There are a few exceptions, but if the father has no title, the children will not either. The father may also hold a title that is not heritable, so his children will be simply "Mr." or "Miss".



Many princesses have married untitled men -- Princess Anne in the UK is one -- and their children are untitled.



It is entirely possible to be in line to a throne but to be untitled. There are plenty of untitled people in line to the British throne.



Should Princess Caroline become the reigning Princess of Monaco -- that is, should she inherit the Monegasque throne from her brother because he has never fathered a legitimate child -- her three eldest children should instantly acquire titles.



Her youngest has a title (though it has no real legal meaning or substance, because German titles essentially became defunct after World War I), because her father is the Prince of Hanover.



I think, by the way, that there's a good chance Prince Albert and his soon-to-be wife will have a child.



Samwise, Prince Philip was a minor Greek prince, not "Crown Prince" of Greece. He was not close to the throne. That's why he had no objection to giving up his Greek title. He did so, so that he became plain Philip Mounbatten. His British titles were indeed gifts of the monarch.
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2016-12-17 00:45:23 UTC
Princess Stephanie Of Monaco Children
Paco
2011-02-21 19:36:46 UTC
It is the same as Princess Anne in Britain. Her children have no titles since their father had no title. They are common, but they are still in line for the throne, it is just that they are behind all of Anne's brothers and their descendants.



In the case of Monaco it is simply more obvious since Prince Albert has no legitimate children and no brothers. That makes Princess Caroline next in line to the throne, and her oldest child,Andrea Casiraghi, #2 (even if he is not royal). The rest of her children are #3-#5. Stephanie is #6, and her two oldest children are #7 and #8. Her youngest child, Camille Marie Kelly Grimaldi is not legitimate and is not in the line of succession.



In Britain, none of Stephanie's children would be in the line of succession. That is because she was only married to their father for 15 months after both of her children were already born. Under the law of Monaco that made them eligible for succession. Britain does not permit legitimation of the children (as far as succession to the throne) if you marry after the child is born. Monaco has since changed the law because they were worried that Albert would make a deathbed proposal to the mother of one of his illegitimate children.



The youngest (4th) child of Princess Caroline is not a princess of Monaco. She is a Princess of her father's kingdom of Hanover which no longer exists. There is no law against calling her a princess, but Germany does not officially recognize the title.



If Albert is married as planned, and has children, they will move ahead of Caroline.
flyingbug
2011-02-22 15:37:09 UTC
Caroline and her children are in line for the throne--until Albert has legitimate children of his own (or marries the mother of one of his two illegitimate children). Caroline is heiress-presumptive.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Caroline_of_Monaco#First_marriage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Caroline_of_Monaco#Succession_issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_Monegasque_throne



Caroline's second husband had no royal title. As titles usually descend through the father, that means Andrea, Charlotte, and :Pierre have no titles. Should Caroline become Sovereign Princess, Andrea would become heir-apparent.



Caroline's third husband, Ernest of Hanover, does have a title (although his title is no longer recognized in Germany). Their daughter, Alexandra, is styled as HRH--and she, too, is currently in Monaco's line of succession.



All four children are also in the British
Computer no tiene acentos
2011-02-21 18:44:02 UTC
The youngest child is the daughter of the Prince of Hanover,

the other children's father was not a Prince.

None of them is heir to the throne if Prince Albert and his wife have a child.

I do not know if from Princess Carolina the other kids may have a tittle.
Samwise
2011-02-21 19:54:58 UTC
Dart is mistaken. Prince Phillip was Crown Prince of Greece before his marriage to Queen Elizabeth. His title is by right of birth and not a gift from anyone. His is Prince Consort by right of marriage to Her Majesty. He is addressed as His Royal Highness, The Duke of Edinburgh.
2011-02-21 19:14:04 UTC
Common father(s)



The title comes from the father, regardless of the titles of a mother.



Princess Anne's children have no titles.





The husband of a Queen, who enters into the marriage without at title, is at the discretion of the Queen. He is not a prince unless SHE offers him that title (or her father did, before her, as happened with Queen Elizabeth's husband...her FATHER gave him the title of prince before he died).



It would seem that most of the current queens regnant have spouses who are styled as Prince, but Isabel II of Spain's husband was a mere duke. Joan I of Naples had four husbands, only one was a prince, 2 dukes, and one was king of Mallorca.



You can do this yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_queens_regnant It's not exactly what you asked, anyway.
milyfaz
2011-02-21 18:41:43 UTC
i think it's because they were fathered by a commoner, a race car driver i believe.
Lord Lucan
2011-02-22 08:54:10 UTC
Because they are Monegasque dear girl, and one cares very little for that rabble of layabouts and ne'er-do-wells.


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